Patrick Combs - Stories

Bank Error In My Favor: Collect $95,000 / ORIGINAL version.
© 1995 Patrick Combs

"Updates"

Below I will list updates as they come in. Thanks for following along.

Tuesday, August 15
Today I was told that the WSJ is planning on the running the story again -- and although I hesitate to say it because I've heard it many times before -- I was told that it could happen Very soon. Now, if it doesn't run soon, you'll be jerked around just like I have been for over a month now.

In other news, I'm happy to report that these pages are being read by approx. 500 people a day. In total they've been visited by over 4000 people since they were first posted to the net Aug. 4th. And, each day I get about 50 opinions on what I should do about the money. Thank you! And I wholeheartedly encourage you to pass around my URL.

Wednesday, August 16th, 3 a.m. PST
I went out to the WSJ box and my hopes were high, High, HIGH -- and I plopped my three quarters in.... Grabbed for the paper. Flipped to the second section, and saw the words "Trash Into Quick Cash." It was PAY DIRT!!!!!!! In print! For real!!! National news!! I woke some people up yelling! I owe Lynn at the WSJ Big Time. The story wouldn't have run without her persistence. Now, I wonder what will happen...

Friday, August 18
I'm in flight from Phoenix to San Francisco. The last two days have been CRAAAZY. When the WSJ article came out I stayed awake until 6 am that morning celebrating. By the time I woke up at around noon, my voice mail was deluged with calls from radio, newspaper and television. Calls included messages from both The David Letterman Show and The Tonight Show ! I did an interview with a reporter from the Associated Press Wire that afternoon. The reporter said that she'd write it up and it would definitely be released to all California papers, and maybe to all national newspapers.

The next day (Thurs..) I woke up and had to catch a 8 am flight to Phoenix where I was scheduled to do an all day workshop. When I checked my messages at about 8 am, I had over 25 calls already!! The calls where from EVERYWHERE, which told me the story had gone out national wire! With no time to call anyone back, I boarded my flight. Half way into the flight, I begin conversing with the person seated next to me, when out of the blue the man across the isle says' "You're the guy that cashed the check?!" He extended me a hearty handshake and told me he'd read the WSJ article and an article in the San Jose Mercury News just that morning. (The SJ Mercury News headline was "Man 1, Bank 0").

By the time I got to check all of my messages that night at 8 PM, two dozen radio shows had called, plus calls from Paramount Pictures, NBC Nightly News with Tom Brokaw, Hard Copy, ABC News with Diane Sawyer, CNN News, Montel Williams Show, Day & Date, American Journal, CNBC's The Money Club , and Good Morning America . This is not to mention all of the top San Francisco news stations. Looking at the list was a dream come true (well actually, I never dreamed it this big). But I had no idea how to handle so many calls. A press conference was contemplated by my friends and I (My friends are saving my ass! They help me make decisions with each new step).

I slept on the decision - awoke at 6 am (Fri..), and began returning phone calls. I just decided to call every one back and set up everything I could -- starting the minute I arrived back in San Francisco that afternoon.

I arrived in San Francisco at 1:30 PM. At 2 PM I was doing a radio interview with David Brenner on Westwood One radio. Then from 3:00 till 6:30 I did three television interviews from my home. Two San Francisco news stations and NBC Nightly News (I arranged the interview with them at 10:30 that morning and a producer and correspondent flew in from LA and arrived by 4:00). Each person I'd interviewed with has been absolutely nice and supportive in the treatment of the story. And guess what? Since I couldn't return any phone calls on the day the story hit, I changed my message to suggest that people get additional details from this web site, and many of the reporters did just that!

Tomorrow I do an interview with ABC News (they may follow me into my bank as I go to recover the check.). Then Sunday I'm being flown to NY for a morning appearance on Good Morning America. Jay Leno's show, Hard Copy and Montel Williams are tentatively planned.

Another item. I have to report regards what I've been saying during the interviews. When I'm asked if I'm going to keep the money, my reply is consistently, "My ideal outcome would be that the President of First Interstate bank takes me to lunch and we have a decent, fair and honest conversation. Honest means I'd admit that I didn't earn that money, and he'd admit that FI lost the legal right to the money through a series of mistakes. Then together we'd work to put an end to these ridiculous, problematic junk checks because they mislead and people are sick of them. Then I'd like to see $95,093.35 given to charity."

I'm sorry that I have yet to scan the newspaper articles. I tried but have had a very difficult time trying to figure out how to scan text so that it's readable, but at the same time, not a gigantic file. I would greatly appreciate receiving any newspaper clippings if the story ran in your area. Also, I'd like to know if you hear about it on the Radio.

Saturday, August 19
Did an interview with ABC News. They arrive with a crew of four (cameraman, soundman, anchorman, and producerwoman). All the news crews, including ABC, shoot in my home office, and then down the street at the branch where I deposited the check. Today we couldn't go try to get the check out of my safety deposit box because the downtown branch, where the check sits, was closed. But ABC did have me go into the branch on Haight Street where I made the deposit. The camera crew was not allowed to enter the bank to film, but they could stand at the door at shoot which is exactly what they did. A very pleasant surprise occurred while I was in the bank. I asked the bank manager if any of any of the tellers were getting in trouble because of this and she said, "Oh no, and nobody will. You deposited it into the ATM so we're OK." This was welcome news! Then she said with a smile and a warm handshake, "So you're the one who deposited it -- I know you." The ABC segment is scheduled to air on Monday night. I was informed that it's viewing audience was 60 million. Personally, I feel like this is the best interview I've done yet.

Many people have been expressing concern about my cashier's check expiring. Two things: 1) IF it expires in 90 days I have until mid-September. But I believe I read in Bradys that courts and the law require banks to honor cashier's checks for one year. 2) I plan on going back to Bradys to confirm this, but I will be unable to do this for two weeks because I'm traveling for lectures starting tomorrow. If someone want's to help me out by doing it sooner, please do.

Today I e-mailed Michael Moore's TV Nation. I think he's THE guy who could actually get the President of FI to go to lunch with me and donate the money to charity. If anyone has personal contact info for Michael Moore, please forward it.

And finally for today........ STILL NO WORD FROM THE BANK.

Wednesday, Aug. 23
The only thing that has transpired since Saturday is continued publicity. I am traveling on the road now for my real life work as a speaker at colleges and universities . On Sunday I flew to NY and woke up Monday morning and appeared on Good Morning America. Appearing on GMA was not what I expected! A limo picked me up at 7 am and when I arrived I was pointed straight to 'the green room.' I was not told what to expect or what to do. I just sat. To my pleasant surprise, I was sitting right next to the author of Forest Gump. I didn't realize it until he said to one of the producers, "No I didn't make up the line, 'Life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get.' I don't like that phrase and the phrase I used in the book was near the opposite." He comes across as a very humble, southern, polite, down to earth guy. And he was kind enough to give me his autograph! Anyway, then a guy came in and put a mic on my shirt. Then I was taken up to make up and powered. Then I was taken back to the green room to sit. At 7:28 AM the producer came in and said 'Patrick Combs, come with me -- you're on next." We entered the studio, which was three was a three stage set up (fake backgrounds and all), with about 15 people who are standing around looking focused. I was sat in a chair in front of a camera, told to smile into it on cue. I did -- for about 20 seconds (This I was told was a little teaser shot). Then I was moved to the center stage (that looked like a front room). I was sitting across from the male host (who's name I don't know). As soon as I sat down, a voice started a 30 second countdown to air. When the interview began it was fast and fast... No time to tell much of a story. The host surprised me by asking me if I had possibly committed fraud. I felt like saying to him, "What is this, GMA or 20/20?" When the, at most two minute, interview was over I got up, took off my mic (as no one was doing it for me), and walked myself out the door and back into the limo. This is how GMA runs the show. Pick em up -- move um in -- roll em out. Rawhide!! But it was fun.

That evening ABC News aired it's interviewed. I saw it standing in airport bar in Kansas City. I was really happy with the way it turned out!! NBC News also ran theirs that evening but I was unable to see it. The airing of these two news programs (viewed by approx. 120 million) produced another wave of media calls (radio primarily) and I continue to do a few telephone radio interviews per day. By far my favorite interview to date was with Art Bell on CBC Network (We went really deep into the ethics and legal considerations and heard from callers for over two hours (between 2 AM and 4 AM).

Someone asked me via email to give a hint as to what most people suggest that I do. Most people suggest these things: 1) They support what I'm doing; 2) Suggest giving it to charity; 3) They think the bank behaved poorly and should be made to sweat, but recognize that if I keep the money, in the long run its US that will pay for the bank's loss of income; 4) They see junk mail as the real problem here. On the other hand, there are a significant amount of people who hold this opinion: "Keep it. Banks make us live by the law and keeping it is the most probable way to force a change in the law." In addition, everyday there are suggestions and opinions that do not fall into either category that are quite creative and insightful. I read them all and respond to as many as I can. Thank you and keep them coming.

One other thing, MTV is now interested in an interview.

Saturday, August 26th
I am holed up in a Holiday Inn in VA just outside of Washington DC. Yesterday I did a lecture (about my book) at George Mason University and I was pleasantly surprised by the number of students who had heard of my check cashing craziness through the media. One guy informed me that his friend told him the story over lunch yesterday, and that it wasn't until later that evening that he learned I was coming to speak.

This morning I woke up at 8 am and did a radio interview with a Washington DC station. Then at noon a producer and cameraman from Hard Copy showed up. They were very cool and nicely did not shoot the interview in my room (because I worried that people would think either that I live in a hotel or I decorate bad). Instead they shot the interview in one of the hotel's conference rooms. When the program airs you'll notice the plant in the background attempting to 'liven' up the environment. Someone emailed to ask me why I chose to do Hard Copy. I chose to do Hard Copy for two reasons. 1) Because they are the only news reporter that has wanted to explore the failure of the bank's check handling procedures, my legal claim to the money, and the problems of junk mail. 2) I spoke at length with the producer about what kind of segment they wanted to produce and he earned my trust. Hard Copy has until Sept. 8th to run the story (then I could go to one of their competitors -- Inside Edition also called), but they intend to run it Thursday or Friday of this coming week.

Hollywood movie deals are being actively pursued by a few individuals (and two of them have progressed beyond the initial interest step to the step where more VIP's evaluate the idea). Could this story really justify a movie or TV special? With a love interest added in, that's what they think. : )

I did a radio interview with the BBC in London on Thursday, and it was slated to run soon at the 5:30 am hour, which I am told is a maximum listener's time slot. Rod Sharp was the interviewer and I thank him a lot because he was so cool.

bOING bOING 'zine emailed to invite me to contribute an article or an interview and they gave me the highest compliment I've received yet by making me the Patron Saint of their PRANKTIME page!

MTV has moved very close to sending me a video camera and requesting that I self-document my banking bonanza for incorporation in to their upcoming pilot program, REALITY CHECK. I shoot the footage, then edit it down to 4-5 minutes and then they tape while I discuss the adventure with 5 peers. MTV considers it a cross between Real Life and a talk show. I like the sound of this.

Monday at 7:50 AM EST, I am scheduled for an interview on WABC radio out of NY.

Monday afternoon at 1:40 CST, I am scheduled for an interview on Judy Jarvis's radio program. (Don't know a station name because it's nationally syndicated).

Wednesday, August 30th at 7 am CST, I am scheduled for an interview on WKRZ radio out of Pennsylvania.

Wednesday afternoon at 5 pm CST, I am scheduled for an interview on WWL radio out of New Orleans, but 'hearable' from Texas to Florida.

I've spent the last couple of days contemplating what to do next considering the fact that the bank has chosen to ignore me. I've contemplated many options (from going to FI headquarters in LA to push for a resolve, to holding a press conference that highlights the problems caused by junk mail checks -- I even contemplated returning the money in the hilarious way emailer Tony suggested: "Return the money, in pennies, by way of a dump truck.".

What I've decided to do is write two open letters. One to the president of FI and the other to Mitch Klass, the issuer of the check I deposited. By 'open letter' I mean that they will be letters that are available for everyone to see. I will post them to here first and then offer them to the news agencies.

And.... Still no word from my bank, but Hard Copy might reveal new information.

CALL FOR HELP:
I am currently looking for two things: 1) suggestions for 'issue oriented' radio personalities (often these are late night talk radio shows). 2) Connections to writers who freelance write for magazines that might run an article that explores the serious issues implied in this fiasco.

Wednesday, August 30
Greeting from Green Bay! I'm holed up here in a Holiday Inn for a lecture tonight -- and I'm doing radio interviews all day. The news today is that Hard Copy is going to run their story about this tonight (found out late last night)! Calls came in yesterday from media wanting to know if there's been any change. Readers here already know the answer -- there's been no change. But I go home to San Francisco tomorrow and you can bet I'm going to do something...

A related detour if you like: I went cruising around the web and found the newsgroup Make Money Fast . Here stories about get rich schemes are reported and told. Me personally, well I now believe that some of these get-rich quick schemes really work. : )

Wednesday Night, August 30, 1995

Spoke briefly with two new lawyers today. I wanted to see if I could dig up any new thoughts about the ground I'm standing on. Both of them thought the story was a hoot!, appreciated what I'd done and felt strongly that the bank probably wished I'd go away. One felt FIB might very well do anything they can to try and SEND me away. It was his experience that banks were very nasty institutions that have lobbied for more rights-to-be-abusive than any of us are aware. "They're rights to be unfair start the minute you sign for a checking account (it's all in the fine print), and they expand with the inconspicuous, almost monthly, arrival of fine print amendments," he said.

The next lawyer felt FIB might do anything to get me to shut up. He felt that if I gave back the check and agreed to stop doing interviews, that they'd probably give me all of what I requested. Any how, two lawyer's opinions....

** [See Patrick's Hard Copy appearance - It's a Bonus Feature on the new DVD!]

Saw Hard Copy's story and Loved it! I thought it was the best treatment yet. And Hard Copy's executive producer loved it to and inquired immediately as to whether I'd do another segment. To talk about what, I'm not sure...

Did a live interview with WWL radio today (One of you websters called in -- thanks!). The station took calls and this produces some real action!! Apparently there are quite a few that believe deep in their hearts that I'm a bad guy. Two things came up today. First a man read from Louisiana's law passage on Fraud. I was nervous when he started (thinking I was going to learn something new) but by the time he finished I felt safe again. It was funny because he thought he'd just proved I was headed for 10 years in the can, and I thought he'd just proved I was perfectly safe. The law said something like "fraud is when a person even attempts to take the bank's property." The man-with-a-law-book thought clearly that just because you deposit a junk check means you were attempting to get the banks money. Absurd! What explains my not endorsing it? What explains my not withdrawing it as soon as it became available? What explains my having not cashed it yet? I like what Lionel, the host of a WABC radio in NY said, "If someone jokingly offers to pay their restaurant tab with seashells and the restaurant accepts them, does that make the diner a fraud or the restaurateur stupid?"

The next caller concluded that I was just a scammer, as evidenced also by the 'Beat the System' subtitle of my book. First of all, I'd like to thank this caller for bringing up my book -- it hadn't been mentioned yet. Secondly, scammer is a funny thought to me because if it were true, then I'm definitely the world's stupidest scammer: "Man scams bank for 95 g's and then tells the world." (Actually, I believe that I am probably not the only person to cash a junk check -- just the only one willing to admit I cashed a junk check. Others are out there hoping their windfall doesn't get discovered).

Tomorrow I wake up, fly home and work to bring this has-been-fun, but soon-to-be-tired story to a close. Decent treatment and an explanation (that's sure to be amusing) is all I want, but I may be barking up the wrong tree. I may be barking in the wrong forest...

Thursday, August 31, 1995
I finally had time (on the flight) to rewrite Part VII, The Wall Street Journal . Under a time crunch, the version that's been posted, until today, was a shell of what actually happened. I enjoyed writing it up the WSJ episode in its full glory -- I hope you'll go back and read the new version (Of course, if you're reading this entire story for the first time today -- you've already read the updated account).

The Hard Copy vote is in! Approximately 10,000 people paid 1.00 to vote and the results were 70% said 'Keep the money,' 20% said 'Give it back,' and I don't know what the other 10% said, but I wonder why'd they'd spend the money to vote if they didn't have an opinion.

Friday, September 1, 1995

Yesterday late afternoon, I was working at my desk getting organized after having been on the road for two weeks, when the doorbell rang. Every time the doorbell has rung during the past two months I have thought that it could be someone serving me with legal documents. With thought on my mind, I went to answer it, and there at the bottom of the stairs was a plainly dressed man with papers in his hands.

I went down the stairs and opened the gate. He said, "Patrick Combs?" "Yes," I replied. "I have a court summons for you," he said as he handed me the papers.... Then he looked at me and said, "I saw you on TV last week and I wanted to tell you that I support what you're doing. I hope you win." This took all the heat off of a tense situation. Suddenly I was smiling and saying, "Thanks, that means a lot."

I've reviewed the 50-sum pages of lawyer writing and to me (although I am no lawyer), the worst thing in them is the inconvenience of the scheduled September 20th court appearance because on that date, I'm scheduled to be speaking in Buffalo NY. What the papers seem to be attempting is a court judgment that restricts me from being able to cash the cashier's check or to open my safety deposit box.

The disappointment about receiving the papers lies in the fact that I don't want this to go to court -- from my perspective, this story doesn't deserve a court's time. Bank gives man a letter -- man gives bank back the money. Simple. So, I've decided to continue with the plan I formulated earlier this week -- to meet with my bank and try for a non-court resolve.

One last thing, I believe my bank is also reading these web pages because that would explain how they apparently knew my return date. (This was the first time the man had attempted to serve me papers). Assuming this is true, "Hello First Interstater's! Tell me what You think I should do!"

Wednesday, September 6, 1995

I met with Charles Ward, FICAL's Senior Counsel (turns out that FICAL is the proper initials for my bank) yesterday morning. From my estimates the meeting went very well. I went in with a list of ten things I wanted before returning the check, and after two and a half hours, I left with the impression that FICAL would comply. Of course, FICAL was quite clear about what they wanted from me in return: The cashier's check. As for how I was treated, it would be most appropriate to borrow the words of the great Will Rogers, "I never met a man I didn't like." This is not to say that I got the feeling the lawyer I was negotiating with liked me. But Mr. Ward treated me like a gentleman and we both stuck to the objective at hand: settlement.

Details: I went alone. My meeting was with only Charles Ward. Before going to the meeting I tried again to call Bill Siart, FICAL's President and CEO. I can report that it is literally impossible to call the President of FICAL. All calls and messages are directed to Consumer Affairs. I am supposed to hear back from the man I met with, tomorrow -- he hopes to have FICAL's approval of our resolve and we both hope to resolve this quickly. If FICAL does meet my requests, I am going to be a very happy man. I'll share the results as soon as they come in.

The funny thing that happened is Mr. Ward said to me, "We assume you'll be closing your account." "No, I wasn't planning on doing that," I replied, feeling like things were going to end friendly. But the look Mr. Ward gave me was good enough to prompt me to ask, "Does First Interstate want me to close my account?" His reply: "First Interstate isn't asking you to close your account, but it would please First Interstate if you would.

Wednesday, September 13, 1995

No updates to tell, but FICAL says I should receive all that I asked for tomorrow. FICAL has been working on the requests. I've just been on the road working.

Thursday, September 14, 1995

Sure enough, when I arrived home there was an envelope full of settlement papers from FIRST INTERSTATE BANK. BUT, they are completely to my disliking. Why?? Because I asked FIRST INTERSTATE BANK to give me a letter that explained, in truth, how this whole situation unfolded and I requested that the letter explain the errors that they made. (I feel that this letter is essential to my future -- the only way in which I will be able to prove my integrity, if it is called into question over this occurrence.) As a matter of fact, I had presented them with the letter I wanted them to sign. They, of course, didn't want to sign my version of the letter but had told me that they would write a letter that was very similar. What I got in the mail today wasn't at all similar. It is the result of an editor who simply said, "Edit out any mistakes we made -- with the exception of accepting the deposit."

Then, adding insult to injury, FIRST INTERSTATE BANK says that I must pay them $266.00, because that's what it cost them to file their lawsuit in court. They're out of their mind (and soul), because I didn't make them file in court -- they chose to go to court instead of simply calling me. I have just scheduled several meetings for tomorrow with lawyers. I'm losing all faith in FIRST INTERSTATE BANK'S ability to be reasonable, honest and decent. I will be closing my account gladly.

Saturday, September 16, 1995

Today, as a release and for fun, I wrote out several lists. (1) A list of bank errors that FIRST INTERSTATE doesn't want you to know about, (2) Top 10 Reasons I Still Intend to Give The Bucks Back , (3) Top 10 Reasons Why A Perfectly Sane Person Would NOT Give The Bucks Back .

Sunday, September 17, 1995

Today, Norm Paxon emailed to say this:

You may be interested to know that I called the First Interstate
of Utah, asked if they had any affiliation with FICAL, and was
told yes. I then proceeded to tell the customer service rep on
the phone that because of the way that FICAL has been
handling this situation with you, I will do no business with FI of
Utah.
I feel strongly, as you have mentioned, that the only reason
people have jobs is because they have customers, and they
need to start treating those customers like they matter. I
informed her of this, and asked that she forward my complaint
to her managers. She didn't seem too excited, but I just
thought you might be interested in that, and that maybe even
ask your readers to do the same... If FICAL starts getting
complaints from managers of FI's throughout the country, they
might realize that the scope of what they have done...

Good luck.

Wednesday, September 20, 1995

Today I made a list of the Top 7 Reasons Why Get-Rich-Quick Advertisers are the Primary Trouble Maker Here .

Thursday, September 21, 1995

Yesterday I did a lecture at the University of Buffalo and I encountered a pleasant surprise: Dan Barkevich, a follower of the internet updates since they began and a masters student at UofB, came out to meet me (My speaking schedule is always posted). At the end of my speech, Dan raised his hand and asked, "Do you have $95,000 in a safe deposit box?" It was my first time to meet one of the people reading my web pages and I enjoyed swapping perspectives, in person, for a solid half-hour.

I'm on a train from Buffalo to New York City, and I'm headed for a taping of the Montel Williams Show tomorrow. I don't know the air date yet. For the record, this is also an unpaid appearance -- the only appearance I have been paid for was Hard Copy and I earned $1000.

I did speak with many lawyers last Friday. From them I learned that I do have legal legs to stand on if I should need to go to court. I even learned that I would have had a very good chance of stopping the bank's attempt to freeze the cashier's check (because courts only issue these "preliminary injunctions" when potential damage is irreparable. My lawyer would have pointed out to the court that "Patrick cashing the check would not result in iirreparable damage, only in a loss of money for FIRST INTERSTATE BANK -- and if it was later ruled that the money was there's, nothing would stop FI fro trying to recover the money." I liked that logic -- "It's only the loss of money." But I didn't attempt to stop the preliminary injunction because I didn't care -- so by now a San Francisco court should have ruled that I cannot cash the cashier's check until a court rules who it rightfully belongs to.

Late last Friday, I called the bank's senior counsel again and further negotiated to try and resolve this. It seems I have made progress because yesterday the Senior Counsel guy faxed me a new settlement letter that is much better than the last attempt.

Recently I received a bottle of wine in the mail, because Harry Max from Virtual Vineyards wrote to me and said:

This is unquestionably one of the best experiences I've had in quite
a while. I'm not sure whether it means I need to get a life or that
I appreciate the fact that you didn't have to get run over by a 4 door
Chevy Impala as I did to collect the money. Either way, thank you. I
don't know whether you drink wine or not, but I'd like you to offer you a complimentary bottle from our portfolio. Free. Honest!

This is the wine I'm going to celebrate with soon!

Thursday, September 28

Last Friday I did tape the Montel Williams Show. It was really a good time from beginning to end. My cab dropped me off at my hotel which happened to be right next door to the Late Show with David Letterman . No David sightings but it was fun to be standing right underneath the big blue and yellow marquee. When it was time to tape the show, a young woman named Brooke came to escort me to the studio via a limousine. In surprising contrast to Good Morning America, everyone who worked for Montel was very nice and pleasant. I got a private green room which was well stocked with soda and cookies. Montel came by to "meet the guests," but he came and went so fast it wasn't really like meeting him. But a quick handshake was cool -- and understandable -- the guy taped three shows in that one day alone.

On the show, which might run next week, the theme was everyday ethics and my story was the kickoff segment. I really enjoyed myself and got to make the points I felt were important. Most importantly, I learned that the reason why people yell and talk over one another on talk shows is because the producers strongly encourage it every commercial break. Watch the show I'll be featured on and notice that with each segment I get progressively more talkative and boisterous. That's because in the beginning when I was sitting quietly-- listening to the story of others -- obeying the rules of polite conversation -- I was not being an ideal guest and the producer kept encouraging me to "get involved more," "interact more," and "yell for Montel's attention." So I did and it was fun. But I was nothing compared to the professional-talk-show-guest-expert sitting to my right. Wait till you see him perform -- he was a work of art!

After the segment and behind the scenes, the adorable little boy who was also on a guest (he played a lost child in a staged event to see how many N

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